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Very often romantic nationalists love to claim some folk with "accomplishements"(personally I think whole "accomplishement","ethnic pride due to some older historical folk happens to share linguistic affinity with someone" and "nationalism" concepts are illoigcal)that's why some Arab nationalists(ironically all those authors happen to be "arabised" arabs from syria+lebanon and I can guess that such claims are also popular amongst "hungarised hungarians","turkicized turks","iranized iranians" etc... and in the same times "true arabs" of arabia dont give interest in ugaritians since they are pre muslims of the "djahiliya" and both quran and hadith prohibited nationalism and ethnicism)consider Ugaritic as a form of proto Arabic.
The "accomplishement" of ugarits is their developpement of the first alphabet(ie with both consonants and vowels and not abjad which lacks vowels) in history. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() But in the same times, according to my readings(see Lipinsky)Ugaritic seems to share many grammatical features and isoglosses with ancient and modern Arabic while is rather distant to the Canaanite sub-group(which includes hebrew,phoenician,punic...)but still Lipinsky does not group Ugaritic and old&modern Arabic under the same sub-group(like Canaanite)but he groups it with Eblaite,Mariic etc under a northern Semitic group and other linguists group Ugaritic together with Aramaic,Canaanite and Arabic under the western Semitic group. I've read a paper of an Arab linguist*(who seems objective and anti nationalism)where he esteems Ugaritic as an older form of Arabic and wrotes(but without giving references)that "recently a consensus seems to be formed amongst semitist linguistis that Ugaritic can be treated as an old form/proto Arabic"?? And the French historian Claude Scheffer claims that "Ugaritic is the older form of Arabic" If we compare old Persian with modern Persian they look as completly distinct non intelligible both in vocabulary and(especially)grammar(as modern Persian lost all cases and inflective system of old Persian as a result of elamite and other pre ie languages of Iran substratum??+Arabic adstratum??),same things could be said(but to a lesser extent than old/modern Persian)for old/new turkic and old/koine/new Greek so it looks rather complex. But when you look at Ugaritic grammar it looks almost identical to modern Arabic grammar and very distinct from Aramaic&Canaanite grammar and nearly all Ugaritic words can be found in modern Arabic dictionnaries but only a part of the Ugaritic words can be found in Aramaic&Canaanite dictionnaries. * Quote:
There is near unanimity among the semitists scholars that Ugaritians were Arabs because their alphabet, as opposed to North Westerners as the Canaanites and Arameans and Hebrews contains all the letters in Arabic, and also because the vocabulary of their language is close to the Arabic vocabulary unlike the languages of the Canaanites and Arameans and Hebrews. |
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Their language's an isolate among the North western branch... Most of them were of Semitid stock (the majority I say).
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If you take a look at a book dealing with comprative Semitic grammar(it should be a recent book as Ugaritic was rather "lately" discovered), you will easily see how Ugaritic "looks" very similar to Arabic to an extent that an Arabic speaker would undesrstands an ugaritic text better,by far, than a hebrew one (also due to the fact that many semitic sounds merged in hebrew, while Ugaritic and Arabic kept much of the 29-30 proto Semitic sounds)
But even looking at wiki will be sufficient to see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugaritic_grammar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_grammar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language#Grammar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_grammar See for example the identical mood endings and nearly identical verb paterns and pronouns. Interestingly in the Arabic dialect of that Syrian region too they said "atta" (you) identically with Ugaritic but distinct from the standard Arabic form "anta" (you). The 3 rd person pronouns are identical with Arabic but different from Canaanite and Aramaic Ugaritic/Arabic huwe/huwe(he) hiya/hiya(she) huma/huma(they dual) hum/hum(them) While Babylonian/Hebrew/Aramaic shu/huw/huw(he) shi/hiy/hiy(she) -/-/-(there is no dual pronouns in Babylonian&Aramaic&Hebrew) shunu/hem/hinnun(them) |
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The majority of Ugaritic lexicon ressembles Hebrew and Aramaic more than Arabic.
The same cannot be said about the way words are stressed.
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Have you sources or some examples
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Those are also Arabic words
![]() For example: Ugaritic/Hebrew/Arabic hykl/hkl/hykl(palace) But in another case the Ugaritic word is closer to the Hebrew one lshwn/lshn/lsn(tongue) There was a discussion on the web between linguists about Ugaritic/Arabic/Hebrew affinities, the author wrotes of a closer Ugaritic/Arabic lexical affinity than Ugaritic/Hebrew http://www.mail-archive.com/ancient_.../msg00058.html Quote:
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Interesting. The alphabet was actually one of the biggest contribution of the semitic peoples to the world.
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